Monday, January 6, 2014

A CHALLANGE.....

Posted at The Times of Israel

Recently author David Harris Gershon posted on both Daily Kos and at Tikkun Daily that he was being forced to make a statement regarding Israel and his allegiances before they would allow him to speak there regarding his new book.

Now according to Mr. Harris Gershon was told by UCSB Hillel:
Make a political statement clarifying your position on the Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions (BDS) movement targeting Israel, and you may enter our building. Otherwise, you are not allowed within our walls.
As a result of this Mr. Harris Gershon responded to UCSB Hillel via his post on DKos and Tikkun by saying the following:
I am a progressive Zionist who believes firmly in the idea that Israel should be a Jewish, democratic state, despite the inherent challenges and contradictions such an existence presents. I am also one who fully supports a two-state political solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict in which each side is able to live within defined, secure borders.

I believe that economic sanctions, such as boycotts, are legitimate forms of nonviolent protest, in contrast to, say, violence or vandalism. I do not, however, subscribe to the BDS movement or its implicit vision of a single, bi-national state as a solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. While I am saddened by the fact that Palestinians do not have full academic freedoms, I do not support the academic boycott of Israeli universities and institutions as a productive tactic. And while I have written extensively on the suffering Israel’s continued occupation has brought upon Palestinians living in the West Bank, and while I support pressure being brought to bear upon Israel to reject its settlement enterprise and push toward a final peace agreement, I reject those anti-Semitic streams which unofficially surface within the BDS movement.

In short, when I endorsed the concept of boycotts and sanctions in 2012, my intention was not to join the BDS movement or endorse its outcome (as Haaretz noted). Rather, it was to express the idea that economic sanctions are a legitimate, nonviolent method for countering undesirable policies and change behavior, regardless of the country being targeted. (It’s a position U.S. politicians understand intimately with regard to Iran, and a position I knew would be difficult within the Jewish community.)
Immediately, myself a few others found ourselves challenging Mr. Harris Gershon in his statement for inconsistencies throughout his blogging within the last few years.

So with this, I challenge Mr. Harris Gershon (both at the Progressive Zionist and at Times of Israel) to clarify a number of his positions which up until now, he has not and seemingly will not clarify. AND following that,
I would challenge him to offer up solutions for discussion / debate. In this, I would happy to have him challenge my assertions that I laid out in my article at Times of Israel almost two months ago.

To start off with I will echo UCSB Hillel's concern, that a noted seemingly anti-Zionist author would want to use their venue as a place to advertise his book. Now David, claims that not only is he not anti-Zionist but that he is rather fully within the "Zionist Camp". SO with that in mind and given his statement above, I would like to know how he "squares the circle" with this commentary from 2012 where he stated:
”And so we come to the confession, to the coming out: as an American Jew invested deeply in Israel’s success and survival — which in turn drives my investment in stopping one of the greatest moral challenges of my generation: the occupation — I have no choice but to formally endorse and embrace BDS
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“As it is, I have long been uncertain about supporting such measures, afraid of the long-term damage a sustained BDS movement might do to Israel, and concerned about the anti-Israel motivations of segments who push to sanction Israel.
However, I know this for a fact: those who claim in Israel that there is no occupation have only one goal in mind: a single-state solution, a Jewishly-controlled Israel stretching from the Mediterranean Sea to the Jordan River.
Now I, like many others find the fact that David claims that this statement was meant to to only accept BDS as a "legitimate form of resistance" rather than for the Movement itself highly unbelievable. After all, David's twitter account features re-tweets from Omar Barghouti, Ali Abunimah, and Stephan Walt. Moreover, David knows the subject well and for him to say that he embraced BDS without realizing it was a movement is simply too much to believe.

But in any case I would ask Mr. Harris Gershon the following:
  1. If you are indeed not a proponent of the BDS Movement, which of it's goals do you specifically not agree with?
  2. Also regarding BDS here do you stand on the issue of Palestinian Right of Return? 
I am asking specific questions that I believe should have specific answers.

Again, so that we may have a fruitful discussion where each of us knows our base positions I would ask that you please let us know the following:

1.You stated in the Daily Kos Article in the comments section that you had not written anything regarding what you see as to a solution (or way forward towards a fair and real Two State Solution), but that you had written many things regarding Israel's trouble with Democracy. Why is that? Don't you have an eye towards a solution or are you just playing "the scold"

2. You often claim that you support the Two State Solution and that you would like to see Israel as a Jewish State, yet all you do is continuously criticize Israel and it's polity. Do you have anything positive to say about Israel and if so what would that be. In other words can you articulate to us just WHY you think Israel should continue to exist.

3. David, you have a sig. line at Daily Kos quoting Judith Butler regarding Israel. Now, keep in mind that Dr. Butler has stated that Hamas and Hizbollah are actually "Progressive" movements. Do you endorse her point of view here?

4. Do you feel that AIPAC actually rules the United States or that the "Jewish Lobby" is an un-American force? After all, you stated (and I quote exactly):
The reason for this disproportionate, obsessive focus on Israel with no regard for U.S. troops in Afghanistan? Simple: AIPAC and the “pro-Israel” lobby’s ill-founded concern about the Hagel nomination coupled by the lobby’s disproportionate influence on our representatives (emphasis added) to echo that concern.
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But when the hawkish, “pro-Israel” lobby in America can influence our representatives to sound as if they – well – are representing Israel’s citizens more than our own?
We have a problem. A problem that must be discussed openly and honestly
5. You stated in a positive article regarding Germany's "moving on from the Holocaust" this little gem:
However, the painful truth is this: while Germany as a country and a societal entity has largely (though not entirely) moved beyond the historical atrocities committed by the Nazis, the same unfortunately cannot be said for Israel. (emphasis added)

Of course, there’s ample reason for this. Created in the wake of an unspeakable trauma and bordered by hostile nations, Israel (and Jewish Israelis) have perpetually been afraid for the country’s existence. The country has been obsessed by security concerns for over 60 years. And it is my view that, because of these factors, Israel has never had a chance to recover from a national, post-Holocaust PTSD that continues to fuel a self-perceived sense of collective victimhood despite its overwhelming military.

It is a collective sense of victimhood that has compelled Israel’s leaders to perpetually have their fingers on the trigger, and has been partially responsible for the human rights abuses and atrocities Israel continues to commit against the Palestinians.
It seems that you are suggesting that it is time for Israel to "Get over the Holocaust"? Can that be true?

Anyhow, your answering these questions in a clear and concise manner would go a long way towards creating dialogue. Myself and others are asking you clear up some possible misconceptions regarding your positions (if indeed they are misconceptions). Once we see these answers (particularly your ideas regarding Palestinian RoR - something you don't seem to want to discuss though I can't for the life of me figure out why), then we can have a forward seeing discussion on what possible solutions to the conflict in the Middle East.

So I challenge you to address these issues and from there move forward. Are you willing to take me up on that challenge and are you willing to discuss/debate possible policies and their outcomes?

13 comments:

  1. As you've shown he's all over the map in what is a seeming attempt to please the audience he faces at the moment. In other words, he is the Mitt Romney of his field.

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  2. Well let's give him a chance to respond. I agree that while there have been similarities between Republicans who skewer the President over things they supported only years before and DHG's positions on this issue (the trying to be all things to all people). It is only fair that we allow him the opportunity to answer and then give him the courtesy of actually reading to and responding to his points.

    See unlike some Rightwing hate sites that ask questions and don't read the answer and rather keep babbling their inanities, I would like us to actually engage on what is "said" and to pay attention to what is written.

    However, I don't see DHG responding here, considering he did not answer similar queries at Tikkun. But, I am willing to give him time. It's only fair.

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  3. (livosh1)
    Don't hold your breath . . .

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    1. Actually David did respond at TOI and completely PUNTED on First down.

      He doesn't want to take the challenge so he cites past insults and despite the fact that I gave him exactly what he asked for (a respectful article), he bailed.

      It's pretty freaking pathetic. But.. it is what it is.

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    2. (livosh1)
      Oh well. You are to be commended for your sincere attempt to respectfully engage him. Maybe one day he'll see the light . . . or maybe not. Either way, keep up the good work. It is much appreciated.

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    3. Thanks livosh for the kind words.

      I will keep trying because at some point it won't be me just asking those questions.

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  4. Kudos to Santa Barbara Hillel on this one. I sent them a note of encouragement.

    Look, DHG has a right off free speech to continue tiresome one-sided Israel bashing and/or promotion of his book. But that doesn't mean that Hillel should be obligated to host him.

    Why should a Jewish campus organization be expected to host an Israel-basher like DHG? Would people expect a Mexican campus organization to host Jason Richwine? There are hundreds of anti-Israel organizations that would be thrilled to host Gershon. He should just go to one of them and let Hillel stick to its mission. Of course he wants to pimp his book in a wider circle than just the anti-Israel fringe, but too bad - Hillel is in no way obligated to help him.

    By the way this is a great piece with great links and I'll be forwarding it to organizations that may be planning to host him.

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    1. Please do fizziks... I think his non responses are telling. If you look at his twitter feed he is happily "dialoguing" with the MondoFront crowd who cannot get it into their thick neo-nazi skulls that DHG is trying to provide them with a way to cover their asses to get in to Jewish places.

      On his twitter feed he pretty much tells them that this is a strategy that he is using to try to push in the door, but, they don't get it. He is basically trying to be everything to everybody. BUT at some point even his allies will ask him to declare.

      He is not a good man. I tried fizziks to engage him in dialogue and backed away... why? Because he knows, what he wants to say will prove us right about him.

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    2. Should read "I tried to engage him in dialogue and he backed away...."

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    3. (livosh1)
      This shows incredible hypocrisy. One the one hand, he chastises Hillel for -- in essence -- refusing to dialogue with BDS supporters and other anti-Zionists. And yet, he does the same thing when he refuses Jon's invitation to dialogue with him . . . essentially for the same reason -- because of statements that were made in the past.

      And that Twitter feed with the Jew-hating Mondofront crowd is quite telling, eh?

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    4. (livosh1)
      And it is more than hilarious that while he actively seeks to dialogue with a vicious killer terrorist who almost murdered his wife, he refuses to dialogue with the progressive zionist who called him names.

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    5. Well that's the rub right there.

      I just can't figure out why the guy won't talk about his views. I mean what is he afraid of? The thing is that if you have to hide what you really believe and feel a need to "trick" people into a political position, what does that really say about your position?

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  5. Wow! Be sure t o get screenshots of that Twitter stuff. It it more evidence we can send along to forums where he wants to be.

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