Monday, October 10, 2011

Why You Should Want Israel To Be A Jewish And Democratic State

How should Israel be constituted in a just resolution to the I/P conflict?

The standard consensus viewpoint that Israel should emerge as the "Jewish and democratic state" has recently received a lot of pushback here. In this diary, I hope to further explain the concept of what it means for Israel to be Jewish and democratic, and why this is something that progressives should support.

Much of the objection to Israel being constituted as a Jewish state emerges from a misunderstanding of what it means for a country to be Jewish, and also what it means for a country to be a national homeland and democratic.

Some commenters elsewhere have raised the objection that a 'Jewish state' would be like a Christian or Muslim state, i.e. a theocracy or something religiously based. This is simply not the case. We have established, with near unanimity, that the Jewish people are just that - a people - and not a religion. There is the religion of Judaism that many Jewish people practice, but there are also many Jewish atheists and agnostics, including many in Israel.

Israel being constituted as a 'Jewish state' in no way means that it would be a theocracy or lack religious liberty. It means a secular national homeland for the Jewish people.

Some people have objected that the concept of a 'national homeland' is not in alignment with progressive values. However, it most certainly is in alignment with progressive values. To see why, please carefully consider the following case study:

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In the Southeast corner of Europe is a great country with a proud history that is unfortunately going through some tough times at the moment. This nation is called Hellas by its inhabitants, but for some reason in English we insist on calling it Greece. Here I will follow the locals and call it Hellas.

Hellas is the national homeland for the Greek people. It was explicitly set up as such in the Greek wars of independence, and has remained so since. What does this mean? It means that Hellas is a state where the Greek language is preserved, Greek symbols, customs, and culture are promoted, and where Greek people can flee in a time of crisis.

The later property was of the utmost importance, when millions of ethnic Greeks escaped Turkey in the war following the collapse of the Ottoman Empire. They would have likely been the victims of a major massacre, had they not been able to flee somewhere.

Does Hellas being the national homeland for the Greek people mean that it is undemocratic? Absolutely not. The ethnic minorities within Hellas, which include Albanians, Bulgarians, and Slavic Macedonians, enjoy full civil and political rights. And Hellas is a secular state, with the Greek Orthodox Church enjoying no theocratic status. People are free to practice whatever religion they choose, or no religion.

In this way, Hellas is the national homeland for the Greek people, and is also a secular democracy with full civil and political rights for ethnic and religious minorities. National homelands constituted as such are quite common in the Old World.

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Israel as the Jewish and democratic state is like Hellas as the Greek and democratic state. In a Jewish and democratic Israel, Jewish symbols and customs, and the Hebrew language, would be preserved and promoted. Jewish people would have somewhere to flee in times of danger, which as we know seem to happen all too often. And the ethnic minorities within Israel - Arabs, Druze, Armenians, and so on - would enjoy full civil rights, and the full rights to preserve their cultures and languages. And people would be able to practice the religion of their choice, or no religion.

In fact, this the vision of a Jewish and democratic state that has been part of Israel since its founding. What I just said is actually stated in the 1948 Israel Declaration of Independence
THE STATE OF ISRAEL will be open for Jewish immigration and for the Ingathering of the Exiles; it will foster the development of the country for the benefit of all its inhabitants; it will be based on freedom, justice and peace as envisaged by the prophets of Israel; it will ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex; it will guarantee freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture; it will safeguard the Holy Places of all religions;


In 1948 the UN wisely partitioned the British Mandate - where two peoples were living - into two states for two peoples. Israel accepted that partition with the Declaration of Independence quoted above. Unfortunately, the surrounding nations invaded, setting in motion everything that has happened to the present, with all of the injustices perpetrated by all sides.

The just resolution to the I/P conflict is the two state solution, which consists of a Jewish and democratic Israel, as described above, alongside a Palestinian and democratic Palestine.

Israel as a Jewish state, and a democratic state, is fully a part of the progressive vision for a just resolution to the I/P conflict. And you don't have to take just my word for it. Israel as the Jewish and democratic state was and is the vision supported by such human luminaries as Martin Luther King Jr., Albert Einstein, JFK, Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, and the many Nobel Laureates who have endorsed the position of J Street.

Thank you for reading and considering.

Peace. .שלום. سلام and while we're at it, ειρήνη.

14 comments:

  1. fizziks, this is a good diary, but it why is it even necessary at this late date to continue justifying the existence of Israel as a Jewish state?

    And who do we need to justify it to, exactly?

    What comprises the contingent in need of this justification of our right to a nation-state?

    Who are these people?

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  2. karma: unfortunately it is necessary. To look on the bright side, unlike us, there are people who don't think about Israel and Jewish issues that much. So if they encounter an argument that a 'Jewish state' is illiberal because it is based on a religion, they don't think about it too deeply, and might accept it. So as long as people are making those arguments, we need to push back.

    I agree it is annoying and unfortunate, but it has to be done,

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  3. Yup.

    It is annoying and unfortunate.

    In fact, it flat-out pisses me off.

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  4. pisses me off too. But what can you do? The alternative is to let the other side set the narrative.

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  5. How predictable that the Daily Kos Israel Sucks Brigade runs in to criticize without even bothering to read the diary.

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  6. Good Article Fiz... thanks for posting it. BTW, it's kind of nice that you don't have to defend it to the ignorant peanut heads in the Israel Sux Brigade here... Well except for our resident troll and I can always delete his nonsense if he spews his usual crap.

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  7. Y'know, I respect you guys, but you've got a big unacknowledged problem. Your political opponents viz-a-viz Israel come from your own party and movement.

    That's a big problem.

    Big. Big.

    {Just sayin.'}

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  8. Well Karma, we all have our assholes to deal with and yeah some people who are anti-Zionist come from our side (though the Paulbots and stuff are your boys).

    On the other hand you too have an issue, because it is the guys on your side of the aisle that are burning down mosques, desicrating graveyards, hasseling and in some cases attacking IDF patrols.

    So... you were saying.....

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  9. VB,

    I do not have a side on any aisle.

    I am on no one's team.

    You make a big mistake when you seek to dismiss me as "right-wing."

    I never voted for a Republican in my life, tho I am now looking forward to doing so in the future.

    I marched dozens of times against the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan... until I started seeing swastikas at those rallies.

    Swastikas.

    I chose to back away, but if you guys want to reform it than reform it, but do not blame me for pointing it out.

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  10. Also, of course, you have to acknowledge that anti-Zionism, in the form of BDS, is coming out of the left.

    There is simply no question about it.

    Mondoweiss is progressive-left. That is how it considers itself and how everyone else considers it.

    Same thing for Electronic Intifada.

    Same for the UK Guardian.

    This is a problem on the left, VB.

    And I do not like it any more than you do.

    I would, however, very much appreciate it if you would cease to simply dismiss me.

    That I would appreciate.

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  11. Karma... I don't "dismiss you" but you are "Right Wing". You constantly rail on the left, you said just now that you look forward to voting Republican (G-d knows why), and you put up talking points from the most Right of Right people (Geller, Latma... ).

    BTW, I see things around me on both the Left AND Right that disturb me. The anti-Semitism of the Red/Brown alliance bothers me, but so does the racism of the Israeli Nationalist movembet.

    You say not dismiss you as a right wing crank (and I don't) but when you spend whole days just railing on the left and spouting Islamophobic and Right Wing talking points it is difficult not characterize you that way.

    As for MondoFront (don't forget who invented that name - me) it is not particularly progressive as it is out and out supportive of the Paul's (Ron and Rand - both Republicans). Further that and the other site you named E.I., are single issue sites with radical agendas.

    As for the Guardian, it is a left leaning paper in the British tradition of papers (accuracy in reporting takes a backseat sometime). The right has that too, like Arutz Sheva, or Washington Times, or Fox News... So what?

    Think on it.

    Karma, you are a good guy in person and I like you, but you are Right Wing.

    Such is life.

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  12. @ Karma:

    What you have claimed is simply incorrect. Look at Pat Buchannon. He has said things that are equally as antisemitic and stupid (e.g. Hitler just wanted peace and to defeat Communism, it was all Churchill's fault) as the worst of the brain dead Israel Sux brigade on Daily Kos. The difference is that Pat Buchanan is a respected, long standing, public Republican commenter, rather than a fringe dickwad in his mother's basement writing on Daily Kos.

    The fact is that antisemitic ideas get a bit of play in the mainstream Republican party (ie Buchanan, or that purge of Joe Strauss in the Texas General Assembly) but no play in the mainstream Democratic party. Are there stupid antisemites and extreme anti-Israelers on the fringe of the Democratic party? Hell yes there are, as we all know. But that's the difference. In the Democratic party, they are still on the fringe. They have no national politicians and no major media figures. (Remember Cynthia McKinney lost her primary and had to quit the Democrats.) Meanwhile the antisemites do have a bit of penetration into the mainstream of the Republican party.

    The UK and Europe may be a different story, but I vote in America.

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  13. Guys (and gals, as the case may be): Let's try not to get caught up in Left-Right sniping here. The challenge is to promote EXACTLY the concept of the Jewish and democratic state that Israel is. We may have our differences as to the best way to preserve that state, but we share a fundamental belief that not only is it a matter of historical justice, it is a matter of RIGHT (as in "human" not "wing"). Just as the Greeks, the Italians, the Chinese, and other national groups have that right, so do the Jews.

    The problem is the refusal on the part of so many (progressive or reactionary) to accept that the Jews are indeed a people. (Some of those same people DO believe in a Muslim ummah, but that's a different matter entirely.) Because some of this refusal is just good old-fashioned anti-Semitism hiding behind "politically correct" anti-Zionism, no amount of facts and logic will convince that segment. And some of this is even from Jews who (for various reasons of psychology upon which I will not speculate here-- I AM a doctor but not a psychiatrist) don't want to accept our status as a people.

    Nonetheless, it's important that we keep pointing it out. It's not a Jewish state, it's the state of the Jewish people.

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